I just picked up a pair of these at my local shop and its the first, high end, high performance shoe Ive ever owned. Im really stoked on these shoes right now and really glad I spent the extra money. Ive used them in the gym a handful of times and they make standing on dime edges a breeze. The only complaint I had was the heel cup is really deep. My heel doesn't completely fill it but the extra space doesn't really effect the heel hooking performance so I don't really care. Overall though I'm really satisfied with these and can't wait to slay some Tensleep limestone pockets this summer when I go back home!